Friday, July 4, 2008

The Role of Women

I’ve been thinking so much about the subject of women in ministry lately. A lot of discussion has been going on at denny burks blog between complimentarians and egalitarians. It’s very hard for me to learn there as most people don’t come to learn, they come to enforce their opinions on others which is so difficult to read. I unfortunately have found that the egalitarians among them are much more gracious and personal in their talking than the comps.
Anyways, I’m really trying to figure out just what complimentarians believe. I know they believe that women can’t teach, but where is the line? There seem to be huge inconsistencies within the church. Churches often preach, teach, and quote Scripture that says women should be silent in church (1 Corinthians 14:34) and not be allowed to teach (1 Timothy 2:12). Yet, the very same church will affirm a woman’s right to teach Bible studies, Sunday school, children’s classes, speak on mission trips, seminars, and also lead the music. I don’t understand this.
If women can’t teach in your theology, so be it. But at least be consistent with it. Or tell me why a woman cannot teach a man who is 19 in a congregation, but can teach a 17 year old in Sunday school, when for Paul, men where from the age of 13 and up. And why can the very same woman who is not allowed to teach men in her home church can go on a missions trip and teach men in a foreign country. I’d love to be enlightened. I do want to follow up this post with a biblical explanation for why I believe women can teach and minister in the church. But for know my point is that women should be taken care of, strengthened, built up and their gifts used for the glory of Christ.

4 comments:

Bryan L said...

It's hard to figure out what they actually believe because as you've said they are very inconsistent. Not only that but whether they realize it or not they're also heavily influenced by modern culture and sensibilities and that has a major influence in how they see their theology being applied and worked out in the actual real world. Even some of the more conservatives will still shy away from other things like banning women from speaking in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) because that would be just too much today.

Good luck in trying to figure out what they believe. I don't think you really ever will except to see that they all give hermeneutical priority to one passage 1 Tim 2:12-15 and that literally is what their whole theology hinges on. Without that verse the whole thing really has nothing to stand on. They will deny this as Denny did in a debate I had with him on his blog here
http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=930

I first brought it up in #29 and he finally denied it later on after a bunch of posts but I think it is clear that if you follow these debates at all that truly is the linchpin passage of complementarianism (and therefor it is understandable why Sue fights so hard over the interpretation of that verse). You take it away they've got nothing.

Good luck with your search for understanding.

BTW I hope your new marriage is great!!

Bryan

Ferg said...

Thanks for your comment Bryan. That post you linked me to makes for some incredibly frustrating reading. Round and round in circles!! Hopefully I'll get some sense of clarity, not sure where it'll come from though!
Marriage is awesome - thanks :o)

St. Brianstine said...

Right hand and left hand, one is dominant, and the other is not. They are still equal, just with different roles. That is in a nutshell the comp. view. God has a created order, men then women and it is reflected in the church. Men are to be in authority positions (i.e. Pastors, elders, bishops) and women can teach but they just cannot hold a position of authority over a man. So how is "man" defined, well in America, it's 18 but who knew what Paul meant...?

Oh and as Bryan L. says, should we just dismiss 1 Timothy 2:12-15? If if doesn't fit your theology, I guess, but we HAVE TO consider the whole counsel of God here...

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