Saturday, November 8, 2008

God loves you...

I've been wondering lately about the sincerity of this statement. When I say it, I mean it. I know that God loves everyone, God wants everyone to come in to relationship with him and his Son and the Spirit.
However, I've been wondering can a calvinist truly tell someone that God loves them?. Now, I've been told that God has a general love for people such that he causes his rain to fall on the just and unjust and his word is available for all which is a sign of his love. But does he actually love everyone?
To a Calvinist God loves the elect (when they turn to him), while as John Piper would say about the non-elect "I think we need to go the full Biblical length and say that God hates unrepentant sinners". As Mark Driscoll says in this video "God Hates us".
I wonder then when a Calvinist looks upon his/her theology can they with integrity tell someone that God wants them to come in to relationship with him when in fact, God may not because he has decreed from the very start that he will eternally hate them, crush them and pour his wrath out upon them.
I for one find it a very depressing outlook on who our Father in heaven is and a reminder of a complete distortion of what the holiness of God truly is. It's like holiness and love are seperate in God when in fact they are not.
Sometimes it feels like some think that God was reconciled to man on the cross such that God had to be changed from being against us to for us when Jesus died for us. It says in 2 Corinthians 5:19 that in fact we were reconciled to God. our view of God had changed. God despises our sin and yes we don't deserve anything good from him but what is so amazing and miraculous about him is that He does love us and pursue us and implore us to come in to relationship with him.

5 comments:

D.J. Williams said...

"I wonder then when a Calvinist looks upon his/her theology can they with integrity tell someone that God wants them to come in to relationship with him?"

Yep. Why? Because Scripture teaches so. BTW - John Piper and Mark Driscoll are also right.

Annmarie Miles said...

As someone who is not a Calvinist. I struggle with the same issues.
I can't understand that God would send His Son to die for some of us. I know there is wonder that He would send Him for ANY of us. But to pre determine some of us before time just because... seems harsh.
There is pre-destination of course as it is clear in scripture. But I'm a fore-knowledge girl myself.
Even if we get to Heaven and it turns out the John Calvin's T.U.L.I.P. is rignt I believe that God does all things well and if He doesn't explain it we won't mind.

Richard Miles said...

The Bible clearly states that while we were still sinners Christ died for us (Romans 5 v 8). It is true that before we are saved we are enemies of God, but that did not stop God setting his love upon us. In fact, he loved us from before the creation of the world. Whether you believe that God chose those who would be saved, or that he knew those who would choose him, God's love was from eternity. Isn't that AMAZING! He knew what we were going to be like, that Adam was going to sin - he had the rescue plan ready and waiting. Tremendous love.

We are also reminded in 2 Peter 3 v 9 that God doesn't want anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentence.

We need to remember, too, that the issue of Calvinism has been around for centuries, God mightily used people on both sides. The important thing is that those with differing views on the subject disagree IN LOVE!

rickdog said...

Sorry, but I can't get past the talking snake.

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